Ep #14: Comedy, criticism, & the politics of drag - with drag queen Annie Rection

Podcast

Jul 29

In one of my favourite episodes of the pod to date, I sit down with Copenhagen drag legend Annie Rection for a conversation that had me in stitches from start to finish. Annie is a comedy drag queen known for her sharp wit, high-energy performances, and incredible hosting skills. In 2025, she even toured Europe opening for Bob the Drag Queen after impressing him with an impromptu comedy set!

We dive deep into the art of drag comedy, exploring how Annie balances multiple creative disciplines - from makeup artistry to joke writing to lip-syncing. She shares brilliant insights about her creative process, including how she approaches structuring a show, and how she manages to translates her material between Danish and English.

Our conversation touches on some heavier topics too - the responsibility of being many people's first introduction to drag, the reality of running a creative business, and the recent protests against drag performances in Denmark. Annie's perspective on art as activism and the inherent political nature of drag is both moving and inspiring.

What struck me most about Annie is her incredible warmth and vulnerability. She's the perfect gentle entry point for drag newcomers whilst still being razor-sharp in her comedy. Her advice for aspiring creatives is honest and practical - it's hard work, you'll make sacrifices, but if it's truly important to you, it will make you happier than you can imagine.

If you've never been to a drag show, Annie's infectious enthusiasm will have you booking tickets immediately. And if you're a fellow creative navigating the challenges of turning your art into your livelihood, you'll find wisdom and solidarity in abundance.

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Find out more about Annie:

Annie Rection is a Copenhagen-based Danish comedy drag queen known for her sharp humor, high-energy performances and hosting skills. She’s also known for her DR P3 podcast ‘Dragcentralen’ and has appeared on TV shows like ‘Far Med Fjerboa’ and ‘Zulu’s Store Dragdyst’. In 2025, she toured Europe opening for Bob the Drag Queen after impressing him with an on the spot stand-up set and was invited on tour.

Annie regularly hosts shows like Just Another Drag Show, Comedy Queens and Drag Extravaganza, mixing stand-up, lipsyncs and drag lipsync battles. Whether on stage, screen or podcast, Annie Rection brings bold charisma and comedy to every performance.

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Zuzu's Haus of Cats Presents... - Episode with Annie Rection
Introduction
Hello and welcome to Zuzu's Haus of Cats Presents... I'm your host, artist Eli Trier, although you can call me Zuzu. And on this podcast, I talk to my fellow artists about the magic of the creative process. We'll talk about what they make and in particular, how they make it. Their rituals and workflows, inspirations and disenchantments, ebbs and flows. We'll even take a peek behind the scenes of their businesses to see how they're using their creativity there too, and how they balance the needs of their business with the needs of their art.
If you're interested in getting a behind the scenes look at what makes artists tick and enjoy conversations about art, creativity, neurodivergence and business, then you're in the right place.
Hello again. I'm not gonna lie. I am a little bit giddy about today's guest. We're speaking to Copenhagen drag legend, Annie Rection.
She is a Copenhagen based comedy drag queen known for her sharp humor, high energy performances and hosting skills. She's also known for hosting several podcasts and TV shows in Denmark. And in 2025, she toured Europe opening for none other than Bob the Drag Queen - those of you who are also Drag Race fans will recognize that name, I'm sure - after impressing him with an on the spot comedy standup set and was invited on tour. Annie regularly hosts shows like Just Another Drag Show, Comedy Queens and Drag Extravaganza, mixing standup, lip syncs and drag lip sync battles. Whether on stage, screen or podcast, Annie Rection brings bold charisma and comedy to every performance. And I have to say she had me in stitches as we were recording this. It was an absolute treat to just see a born performer do their thing. I think you're gonna absolutely love her and I cannot wait to introduce you to her.
Please welcome to the studio Annie Rection.
The Art of the Drag Name
Eli: I am so excited for today's conversation. I have been a huge fan of this guest for such a long time and I am so happy to have Annie Rection here in the studio with me today. Best drag name ever by the way. I just love it. Thank you so much for being with me today.
Annie: Hello, Zuzu, thank you so much, that was very nice. And yes, I do pride myself on having a good drag name. I do agree, but it's also very, very stupid and silly. And that's just the essence of what the kind of drag I do. It's very camp, it's stupid, it's funny. So why not have a drag name that really, when you hear my drag name, I don't think people are gonna be like, oh, she's gonna dance. No, she's going to be silly and stupid. She's going to do poetry. No, it's going to be stupid. It's going to be funny. It's going to be jokes. You know, have a name that kind of fits, right?
Eli: Absolutely. Absolutely. You've got to kind of set the scene for people.
Annie: Yeah. And I feel like I... It's very rarely that I... If people come and see a show and they don't really know a lot about drag, they don't know a lot about what I do specifically. The moment I go on stage and I'm introduced with just my name alone, you can see people in the audience, I can see it in their minds when it clicks. And they go, oh wait, that's a pun. That's a, oh wow, yeah. And then they already kind of know, okay, we don't have to take this too serious. We're just, we're now, I'm already allowing you to laugh from the moment you see me and we're good to go.
Identity and Transformation
Eli: It's fantastic. And I think there's such an art to drag names as well. Like it's such a part of the art form. And like you say, it sets the theme for the character. It really, I don't know, do you feel different when you are referred to as Annie Rection rather than your other name, your given name?
Annie: Yeah, it is different how I feel the same when I'm in and out of drag. My government name is Casper. That's also something that's completely different from individual to individual. A lot of drag performers, they put on this transformation and then that becomes your character or your persona, so to speak. Whereas for me, no, no, Casper wrote the jokes. Casper has booked the gigs. Casper is making sure that his accountant is not mad at him. That's all still me.
So when I put on the makeup and the heels and nails and wigs and all that. It is still inherently me. I'm just a heightened version of myself that is visually very different to what I look like when I'm, you know, just on the street getting a coffee or running some errands. It is still me because it is still in the middle of those errands that I'll be like, wait, I just came up with a joke. I have to write this down on my notes app while I'm like, you know, so it is still very much ingrained throughout my personality that it is me.
However, I can clearly see that other people obviously both perceive me differently and they treat me differently. Not necessarily in a bad way, but it is just for a lot of people when they see drag in real life for the first time, it can be very jarring and it could be, I've heard some people also say that it can be intimidating because it is just so much going on.
It's for a lot of drag performers that over the top hyper femininity that we're celebrating through this art form of drag. But that can also to some people be a lot to look at. Also, you know, depending on how good the makeup is applied that day and how long the show has been and if you're sweating and your wig is crooked and all that.
But it's very obvious that the people that kind of, when I see, when I meet fans on the street and they can recognize me out of drag, first of all, I know that's a real one. That's a real one. You really know who I am then. And it's usually very, very chill. But when I see people and they recognize me in drag for something and I'm in drag, that's where the screaming and the hyper, you know, people are very happy and it's very nice. But it's a lot more, just a lot more when I'm in drag for everyone when they meet me, which I understand. It is a lot to see, so I get it.
The Copenhagen Drag Scene
Eli: Yeah, it's fascinating. There's a couple of times that you reference people who are new to drag. Do you find that a lot of the shows you do, because you're working primarily in Copenhagen, which is the city we both live in. Do you find that there's a lot of new people coming to shows all the time, or is it just a hardcore group of people who you recognize people in the audience over and over again?
Annie: It's a nice mix of it. I love seeing the people where I'm like you come to almost every show you and not just mine but like I know that you really just love this art form and you go to the shows every month. The show that I do once a month I have a show at Absalon called Just Another Drag Show and at that show it's about 300 people that can be seated there and I'm surprised every single month a good 30 to 40% of the audience, I'd ask, have you been to a drag show before? If you haven't, make some noise if this is your first time. And it's always a good 30 to 40% that actually make noise there. And I'm like, wow, it's still something that is someone's first time experiencing this amazing art form that's been around for decades, but it's still something that is extremely new to people.
And I feel like there's, I feel very honored that, okay, I get to be your first experience to this. So I'm gonna make sure that you really, I have to make sure that there's a responsibility that always, if there's such a big chunk of the audience that is exposed to this amazing art form for the first time, it is my responsibility for them to leave the show tonight thinking that was actually pretty good. I want to see more of it.
Eli: Yeah, yeah. I think you're such a gentle entry point for people as well. Like you're so personable and vulnerable and it's obvious that the audience loves you. You know, they feel like they have this personal relationship with you and it's striking. I remember when I first came to see you, I think you were talking about your dad had been ill.
Annie: Oh yeah. Oh my God. Oh, wow. I know exactly what you're referring to. Yeah, that was a tough, tough time for me yeah my father injured himself he actually broke his back it's been about two years I believe now yeah two a bit over two years now he's fully recovered yeah it's we were very very very lucky that nothing worse happened I mean yeah it was a very very difficult time and I'd gotten I think the call for that I think just I think two three weeks prior and I was very much booked throughout that month because it's like the Christmas celebration thing. I believe it was November, right?
Eli: Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I think it was the Halloween show.
Annie: Maybe, yeah, because sometimes that goes all the way over to that and it was just, it was a hard one. But that's the grim side of like, oh, but I'm self-employed. I have to make money to go out and do these shows. So if I don't do that, then what is it going to be? So yeah, the show must go on, eh?
Eli: It really does.
The Journey to Drag
Eli: So what drew you to drag as an art form initially? Were you a performer before you started doing drag? Because you started, 2018?
Annie: Yes, I started in the beginning of 2018. And I've been a fan of drag for many, many years. Back when I used to live in Aarhus, there weren't really any drag there. So the only drag shows that were happening happened in Copenhagen. So I would on the weekends, I would jump on the bus for you know, four or five hours to go to Copenhagen and I would watch a show on a Saturday evening I would I knew like one or two people in Copenhagen and I could crash on the sofa, you know, I would literally just I would make ends meet so I could travel to Copenhagen stay at people's places that I knew and I just watched the drag shows go out to the city and feel more free than I usually would do.
And that just, it has always been a part. I've been watching RuPaul's Drag Race since it was airing season three, which would have three is gonna be the best season as well. Season three is an incredible, incredible season. And I believe that would have been around 2010, 2011. Yeah, yeah, it was airing. That was when I was first like, I saw RuPaul's Drag Race and it really, really caught my attention.
But the very, very first time I saw drag, I remembered very clearly 2007, I saw the Danish entry for our Eurovision act that year, Peter DQ, who performed his song Drama Queen. And my father took me, he got tickets to see the dress rehearsal and just to see the whole, you know, our song selecting for who we would send to Eurovision that year. And I saw this drag queen, I remember I asked my father, I think I just said, what is that? Like, it was just feathers and the dress. So you could kind of see that, oh, I think that's a man, but I don't really know. I was also very young. He was like, oh, that's a drag queen. That's a man. He dresses up in drag and costumes. Like something I've actually never met.
Peter DQ and I have like, I think it will trigger something very emotionally in me if I ever meet him because he was the first drag queen that I saw in real life. And it's such a, it has just really made its mark without even knowing it, that little boy seeing something that I didn't really even understood or knew what was, but it inspired me to live my life authentically. My parents always, you know, were. They always told me you can do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt other people and it makes you happy. You can do whatever you want. Amazing. So that has always kind of driven me into being creative.
And then I studied TV and movie production before I fell into drag. So I knew I wanted to do something that was creative visually. I just thought I was going to be behind the camera.
Eli: Interesting.
Annie: To find out. I actually feel better when I'm on the stage or on, you know, just being able to live in that same kind of crazy happiness that I witnessed as like a little boy seeing that drag queen on stage. I was like, you know what? I am going to be that drag queen on stage. That's going to be me.
The Business of Being a Full-Time Performer
Annie: And now it's my full-time job and it's, I've been able to call it my full-time job for a couple of years now. And it's something that, you know, pays the bill and you're your own boss, which is, you know, mostly good. I mean, it is a very privileged situation to be in, don't get me wrong, but it is, it's also a lot of hard work. I don't think a lot of people understand that, that you really have to just, you really have to have a sense of self-discipline that I don't think I had really before I started getting into this. And I think a lot of people when they are their own boss, you kind of learn as you go. I don't know if you feel the same way.
Eli: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I've been doing this now for 20 odd years and it can be brutal and you really do have to suck it up and do a lot of things that you really don't want to do that takes you away from your arts. But doing those things means that you get to do the art. You get to live in it and roll around in it, you know? And that's fine. If I have to spend half a day talking to my accountant because the rest of the time I get to, you know, go nuts and make mad paintings, then that's a trade-off I'm happy with, you know?
Annie: It's the accepting that, hey, do you think anyone who has any job enjoys it 100% of the time?
Eli: There's always a shit sandwich to eat.
Annie: Right. I mean, you've got to figure out, you know what, I don't really like this tomato in the sandwich, but I like all the other ingredients, so I will eat this sandwich that has tomatoes in it, right?
Eli: Exactly, exactly. Yeah, it's just, it's part of the parcel of doing it. And I think it's, I think it's really interesting actually, because when people see drag queens kind of on the stage or on the telly or whatever, they're certainly not thinking about, you know, the tax returns that are involved in doing that or...
Annie: How many peacock bows can you actually write off as a business expense? Yeah, that's I don't trust myself with a lot of math So I trust myself with a lot of things actually but math is not one of them so I have an accountant that does that for me and Danish tax laws are I think maybe any tax laws I wouldn't know outside of Denmark of course, but it is not easy. It is really, really not easy. And I think it's made difficult on purpose. So of course people can't cheat, which is great. But when you're just like an honest, you know, hardworking solo person and you're like, what does paragraph 327 mean in this, I do not get this form, help me.
Eli: And then try doing it in a foreign language as well. Oh no. It's even worse. I don't envy that.
Annie: And you know what? The good thing is, a lot of Danish people are, I don't think you can find a Danish person that is not bilingual. I don't believe that there is a Danish person that does not know at least one other language and often that other language will be English. Sometimes they also know German actually. And we can kind of understand Norwegian and Swedish and it's, it's a, we're very, I believe for, if foreigners come here and they're not ready for that gruelling task of learning our potato language. It is, however, I believe, a little bit of a comfort knowing they're gonna understand me if I can just speak English.
Performing in Multiple Languages
Eli: Yeah. That's interesting, actually, because you perform in Danish and English. I mean, obviously, I mostly have seen you perform in English, and you're obviously completely fluent. You speak very much like a native. But you do stand up mostly in Danish, is that correct?
Annie: Yes, yes.
Eli: What's that like? Are you a different version of yourself in the two different languages? Are you funnier in Danish or funnier in English?
Annie: Oh, that's a great question. That's a good question. I believe my form of humor, I've come to find out, does translate pretty well between both Danish and English, because I have done some of the sets where I've translated them from an originally written Danish a 15 minute set, which I then did a five minute English version of. I was like, this is, this is actually going great. I think I could just do the whole thing. And then in the full 15 minutes, it was just some pieces and bits here and there.
Sometimes I like to call back on like, you know, Danish pop culture, which obviously is not going to work for everyone. And then it's a fun job to figure out how can we deliver the same punchline and make sure everyone gets it. So can we make a broader, you know, end to this punchline? Can we make it so that everyone gets it? And I haven't tried yet that I haven't found a punchline. Sometimes I've liked the Danish version better, but sometimes when I have to rewrite a joke from a Danish punchline to an English punchline, it is kind of fun because it gives me, it forces me to be creative about something that I thought was finished.
Which is a fun process. Yeah, because it's, I've written this, it's done, it's over. But once you're like, okay, but can you still, can you do another spin on it? Can you do another take on it? For example, I have a joke in the Danish set that I had translated and done in two languages. It was a joke about a Danish singer. And I was like, this is not gonna work for everyone. Even if you're Danish, or even if you live here, if you don't speak Danish, you're not going to get this joke. Okay, how can we do it? And then I rewrote it and it was, and it was a joke about Columbia because it, it, it's a fun, weird joke. And it's, it just, it really forced me to think, okay, how can we still end on the same sort of punchline? Well, how can we get there? How can we get there in a different way? And both versions of the joke works, which has really given me a lot of like, enthusiasm to try and translate more of my comedy, because inherently I would say my comedy is very Americanized, kind of already, in the sense that I can be kind of crass. I would say it's just very international, maybe not American, maybe that's not the way to actually phrase it. I just have a very international look on how I perceive my comedy. So it's campy, it can be crass, it can be a little bit sexual as well, but it's never punching down. We punch to the sides or up only.
Comedy Philosophy and Social Responsibility
Annie: Which is a fun way to do it, which is a very fun way. And that kind of makes people, you can laugh at things that are sometimes shocking to you, but it's always done in this place of, we're still gonna do it respectfully. We're still gonna not tread on anyone. We're still gonna make sure we can still laugh at things that you might have not otherwise thought you could laugh at because I know how important comedy and especially stand-up comedy was for me when I've gone through darker times in my past, in my youth, where I couldn't really find a lot of things to laugh at, but finding comedy and turning on the TV and seeing someone's stand-up special could make me just kind of forget those, you know, the dark clouds over my head for just about that hour that it was on.
That's also a lot of how I write my comedy. I don't want to make jokes that people could necessarily in the audience feel like, oh, I'm at the butt of that joke, but that's not fun. I don't want that to happen. I want people to sit in the audience and be able to go, oh, I can actually laugh with you about this. We can, because I think a lot of comedians, which has slightly ticked me off a bit, some, not all, but some, comedians are like, oh, you can't really say anything anymore. People are so offended. And I feel like whenever I've heard a comedian say that I'm like, oh, you need to quit. Cause if that's how you feel, you're not funny anymore. This is a, you have just outed yourself as a failure to me. If you only can make people laugh by punching down, because that's inherently what people are saying when they're saying, Hey, actually don't make fun of disabled people, don't make racist jokes, don't make fun of lesbian, like it's just- Maybe you're just an asshole.
It's like, oh, you can't say anything anymore. Actually, you couldn't say that shit 10 years ago. You just didn't have the consequences, but they're here now babes. So maybe try and punch to the side and up instead of, instead of wanting to take people down with you. Cause it just seems, it just, it just, there's so much comedy that's not that. Whenever a stand-up comedian says that, which I will say it is less and less, but whenever I hear a stand-up comedian say that, I want to dive into their mind and be like, what has happened from when you started doing this to now that you now feel like you can't do those jokes or what has happened in your life that makes you only want to make those types of jokes?
Eli: Yeah. I think that's fascinating because it's so much around the sort of like people feel like they're being like edgy or subversive or something. And you're absolutely right. All it is is punching down. And I think there's a wonderful tradition in drag and particularly drag comedy that it is about sort of bringing everybody with you. And like you say, it's jabs that you make, but it's all very kind of tongue in cheek or it's jabs that the people who actually deserve to be, you know, jabbed.
Annie: Oh yeah, I've made a lot of jabs about a certain author that has written a book series that rhymes with Mary Modder. Oh, don't get me started. Yeah, try and not get sued, I know she likes to do that, but those are the kind of people that are like, yeah, we can all obviously laugh at people that are bigots, don't make...
It just, yeah, it's a fun, it's a fun, it's fun seeing how many comedians actually know exactly how to do that. Yeah. And then the few, the few that are kind of like falling off, those are the ones that are like, oh, I can't really say anything anymore. And I'm here going, baby, I have about an hour worth of material that I haven't even performed yet. What are you talking about? You can't say anything anymore. What are you talking about? Maybe you're just not funny anymore.
Or maybe your type of comedy is just not what people want to hear anymore because as times change, there's also comedy that I saw 20 years ago that I might not necessarily want to see right now because I've grown up, we've become more aware of just how society works as a whole and even just having the discussions and conversation about how our society is unfortunately built on a hierarchy of how easy you can fit into it. That is not something I didn't even think about 15, 20 years ago. So that is my own prerogative to be like, okay, then maybe I don't wanna actually pay money to see this stand-up comedian who is not following the times at a, are still herring on the same stupid tropes about it could be women or it could be gay people or whatever it is. And those aren't the type of, that's not the type of comedy I like. It's not the type of comedy I want to give my money to. Whereas my favorite comedians has always been and is still women. And it's because.
If there's something that I've understood about coming into the comedy world as well, it's two things. There's not a lot of money in comedy until you make it, and that can take a long time. And two, it doesn't matter how funny a woman is, she'll always need to work twice as hard as a man. Always.
Eli: For half as much.
Annie: Exactly. And that was, like, when you hear about other people or talking about all comedy being a men's club, a boys club, it is unfortunately still kind of true. It's a straight, cisgendered, white, male dominated field. And if you do not fit into that box, you need to really, fortunately, you really need to prove yourself in a much more harsh and a lot. You really need to do more basically. I've been told when I wanted to start out comedy that in certain, comedy circles that, if you're going to show up in drag, we don't want you to come. You can come out of drag. You can come out of drag and come as Casper, and you're very welcome to come and do Five Minutes. But if you're going to be in drag, that would be a no. And that comedian that told me that is a very, very high profile Danish comedian today who's done lots of TV shows and all that.
I have yet to meet him. This was all done over email and I kept telling him, Hey, this is how I, this my career. I already have a brand. I've been doing drag at that point. I've been, I've done drag for two years. It's like, I, it is very clearly my brand. I'm trying to get into other scenes now. Cause for the longest times drag queens and drag comedians would only perform in queer spaces or the spaces recreated for ourselves. because there wasn't really open arms a lot of other places. that has, you know, that has changed a lot now. And I do feel like more and more spaces and more and more people are understanding that the art form of drag can be so many facets and it's so many things. So having my own comedy show at Comedy Zoo, which is an amazing place to be, is still, that venue obviously still has mostly, you know, your standard typical man in a white t-shirt talking about how hard it is to become a father. You know, the things that people can relate to, but that space has really taken it upon itself to hire more women, hire more, you know, diverse groups of people doing comedy, also non-Danish speaking comedy. They also have a lot of that. And it's just, they're doing a lot more. I cannot say enough praises about Comedy Zoo because...
It was not at that space that I was told that, you know, unfortunate remark. But yeah, I'm very aware of how I'm still not 100% fitting into the mold. However, I do have a privilege in the fact that I'm, even though I don't present male when I'm on stage, I'm still a man when I take the wig off. So that for some reason still has, unfortunately to some people more value, which makes no sense, but the comedians that I know the best are all the women.
Creative Process and Performance Structure
Eli: So let's talk about your creative process. So obviously, do you think of yourself as sort of first and foremost a comedian who does drag or do you think of yourself as a drag queen who does comedy?
Annie: I think of myself as a drag queen that does comedy. Because I also think that's how other people see me, because they see the visual first. and the visual comes first. So, oh, you're a drag queen. What kind of drag queen are you? Okay, well, you're a comedy drag queen. Okay, cool. Oh, you're actually a standup comedy drag queen.
Eli: It's a combination of so many different skills, isn't it? Like, I mean, obviously you have the drag, which is an incredible skill, like just to look that good. And then lip syncing is an incredible skill. And then the comedy on top of that is extra impressive.
Annie: It really, yeah, I don't know a lot of other self-employed people that do so much on their own in the way that drag queens do it. It's you wear our own hairstylist, wardrobe stylist, makeup artist. a joke writer and lip-syncher, sometimes producer and also booker in my sense. So it's so many roles that you have on your shoulders. when I also, when I do a show, I don't just go to it kind of like willy-nilly and we'll see how it goes. Every single time I'm on a stage, it's been weeks or months of preparation. to make sure that the people that have paid money to see me are getting not just their money's worth, but they also leave with a sense of, oh, I want to see more of this. And not necessarily just my show or the kind of drag I do, but they want to explore more drag because that helps all of us in the long run. Every time there's a drag queen on stage, on the radio, on television, in movies, in this country, it helps all of us. because there's still so few opportunities for drag here.
Eli: So what is your process for putting a show together? What does that look like? Do you think about how the looks and the comedy and the music and everything is going to kind of fit together?
Annie: So for example, when I do a show at Comedy Zoo, which is a show, the way the show works is...
I am presenting and hosting for the evening. So I go on first. I do a traditional 15 minute standup set. And then I end off my set with a comedy lip sync that has something to do with the subject of what I've talked about. And then once that is done, I give it up for the next queen who's going to come up on stage. It's a show that I do with Diana Diamond, Ms. Privileus and Brittany Cravat. And I give it up to one of them and then they do 10 to 15 minutes. They do a lip sync and then I come up again and I say, that was really great. I do another, you know, two minutes until we introduce the next person and then so on and so forth until we're done with that process. Then there's a break, 10 minute, 15 minute break. And then we go into a lip sync battle, which we call drag roulette where we lip sync two songs that the audience have picked for us. but we don't know them ahead of times. And it's a very, very fun game that is essentially... Yeah, it's very silly. It is essentially just an improv game if you think about it. Because if you don't know the lyrics, well, what are you going to do then? How are you going to be entertaining? And that's a good skill to constantly, you know, work on because you never know if you're going to be in a situation where you need to think outside the box or you have to do something that you're, my God, I forgot to do this cue. How can I then get onto the next thing that I have to do now that I forgot this thing? Or it's a good way to constantly have your mind be be freshened and think on your feet. I really, really like doing that. A lot of my comedy is also sometimes I give myself like, just write in my little notes. just go talk to someone here, see what happens.
A Challenging Moment on Stage
Annie: And that's really, it's a fun, usually a fun place to be. It's only very, very rarely that I've asked the audience something and I have regretted it. But I know exactly the way, it was my own fault. The funniest, it was funny and it became funny and it was my own fault. It was an Easter show and I had made some jokes about Easter. It was very funny. People were laughing.
And I talked about, oh, the good things that I've done through Easter and said, has anyone just had a really boring or sad Easter, actually? I feel like everyone has a great Easter, right? Has anyone had a really boring Easter? And this one man, raises his hand and I'm thinking he's probably going to say, oh, I've worked throughout Easter or, know, I had to help my sister paint her apartment. I thought we were going to get that right. No, no, this man just raises his hand and he goes, oh yeah, my best friend died. And I went to his funeral.
And I was like, holy shit. the whole audience just goes, ooh. And I'm standing there with my mic. I'm standing there with a microphone and almost 200 people looking at me. And I'm like, OK, how do we? I mean, he did raise his hand. So is he ready to be like, is he ready for me to make fun of that or are we just going to brush over it?
I don't really know how we're going to do that. And I just go, know, I just had to, I had a loss of words and I just said, you know what? I'm really, really sorry that happened, but you know who also died doing Easter? Yeah. You're not that special. Your friend is not that special. And he was laughing so much. I was like, thank God. Cause it could have really, it could have went south so fast, but he was very much like, no, no, I need this. I needed this. it was, it was it luckily, cause I really was thinking I'm either going to piss this man off and the whole audience is going to hate me or I'm going to give him that exact thing that I know that I needed when I was sad, which is laughter. yes, of course I would never go up to someone that has lost his friend and I go, ha ha, we're going to laugh at that. No, but you're at a comedy show.
You raised your hand and you, he said, all right, bitch, try this one. See if you can make that funny. And I was like, you asshole. I will make it funny. But it was like, it felt like a minute of just silence. Of course it was maybe like four seconds, but in my head it was, okay, I was thinking every scenario, how can we get through? How can I literally not make fun of this person's dead friend?
I was like, you know what, let me actually, we're not laughing at him, but we can laugh at someone else that died because that's also a very tricky thing for people to laugh at. I was like, you know what, let's see if this sticks. And it did. I was very happy that it did, but that was the one, that was the only time I was like, oh my God. That was a lot. it is fun to write it in that. in that note app where I have my sets where it just says, yeah, just see what happens. you really have to just think on your feet. And it has helped me so much when I then do shows where I have audience participation games where you talk to people and I have my little zingers that I have ready, kind of like whatever. You can throw a lot of stuff at me and I probably have a funny comeback to it.
When you can stump me, if you can stump me and stop me in my tracks, I kind of like that because that means I have to think and I love doing that. I love to be able to be like challenged. I mean, what could be the more touchy subject than someone's best friend dying and he's sitting at the show at the table alone, mind you. I'm just like, you know what? He's here because he wanted to be here. So.
And if he had obviously been like, that's not cool. I would have been like, you know what? I'm actually so sorry. Let's move on to something else. I really didn't even know how that got to me, but I was like, you know what? If he's here, we're going to have to laugh and laughter really as cliche as it sounds that we, some people say, oh, laughter is the best medicine. We'll say that's not always true. I mean, if you have a infection, go get some medicine, but it is very, it is really. really, really important for your mental state to be able to laugh at something that you find funny. And for a lot of people that don't maybe like stand up, then find a show you really like that's funny. Find a podcast that makes you laugh. just really laughing is really, really, really important, at least to me. And I know from the people that come to my shows, I mean, God damn, that guy had lost his friend a week prior, because this was a week after Easter.
So I was like, God damn, you're sitting here just a week after losing your best friend and you're sitting in the front row and I have not seen you not laugh once. That's really like, that really makes me happy when I'm, cause I've know I've been that person sitting at a comedy show or watching it on TV and how important it really is to me. So when I, when I am writing my jokes and the process, it is always like a what it's, it's the easiest. and most stupid and kind of non-advice almost. But when I write my comedy, I go, what do I think is funny? Would I laugh at this? And if I just trust my own instinct and I go, I actually think this is very funny. I'm going to write it down. And more often than not, it works. There are also jokes that don't work. And then I acknowledge that and go, oh, y'all didn't like that one. All right.
And then we can laugh at the fact that I know that this was not funny. Yeah. Because it's, it's a right to, it's, it's okay to fail. It's a right to acknowledge that you fail. That doesn't mean you're a failure. That just means, that little one tiny little thing. It's so weird when you want to get, when you want to get bummed out by a bad comment, you know, when people talk about, there could be, you know, 100 comments in a comment section, right? And 99 of them are saying, oh my God, you're so great or I like your art or you're funny or you're beautiful, whatever it is. And one person goes, nah, not for me. I don't think you're funny at all. I think you're ugly. And that is what you that. Yeah. It's like, is that the one that's like eating away at my heart? Like, why is that the one that I care about? And it is, it takes a long time to unlearn that stuff. I heard the best advice I'd ever gotten in my life and it changed my life when I heard it. Don't take criticism from people you wouldn't take advice from. It opened my eyes because would I want someone that I don't know how to help me write my comedy set? No. Would I have a comedian that I trust and love say, oh, that joke maybe you should tweak it.
Yes, of course, because they know what they're talking about. But we're living in this age of people love talking out of their ass. Like, it doesn't matter if they know anything about the subject. They will just give their opinion. I don't know why anyone. Hey, Annie, what do you know about, you know, surgery when it comes to the lungs? I wouldn't go, you know what? I'm going to tell you about it. I'm going to say exactly what I think. I would say, I don't know. Ask a freaking surgeon. Why you asking me?
But in the land of the internet, everyone just uses their opinion at all times, even though they have no credentials or like no knowledge of anything. And it's like, hey, sometimes when you are asked something, you can just go, I actually don't know enough about the subject. So I'm gonna listen to someone that does.
Dealing with Criticism and Fan Responses
Eli: What do you do with it when people come at you with both criticism and the kind of the crazy like squealy fan stuff. Like how do you manage to divorce yourself from that to the extent that you can still kind of carry on and do your job? Because it must be, you both extremes.
Annie: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Because there's people that love stand-up comedy, but if they see me on the poster or me on the fly or they see me on TikTok or a reel because their algorithm has told them, hey, you like comedy. now they're now we're going to show you a drag queen that does comedy and I can see sometimes that the comments that I'm getting are I can then go to their profile and I can see you know who they follow it's like you follow all of my stand-up you know contemporaries and colleagues but for some reason people oh I know what this is about got it so I kind of removed myself from that that being oh this is not he actually doesn't believe that I'm not funny it's something completely he doesn't he's not allowing himself to laugh at a drag queen because it, I don't know what in his world defines him as, but if it makes him less masculine or if that means he's okay with gay people, I don't know what, it really stems down, like what it comes down to. It's also fun when I get the backhanded compliments, it's usually from young men, honestly, and they comment, you're actually funny.
Oh yeah. Thanks bro. You're 17 but hey I guess yeah you I hit your algorithm as well here you are and you know what I will take that instead of you know an f-slur or something crazy in my comment section but it's fun when you see it like it's happening in real time when you can see them go wait this is funny.
This has been making me laugh and he's in drag and it's fun when I can clearly see when some of my stuff has reached people from what I call like the outside, which is not, your little, you know, nice bubble of people that like the same stuff as you. it's, it's, fun going viral, but that also, it also really opens you up to a lot of criticism. The only time where I've had to really, where, cause usually I think I deal with criticism pretty well. because of that mantra that I have. So people can come with me, we're criticism if they just go, I don't think you're funny. It's like, it's fine. You don't have to think I'm funny. I'm not doing this because I want every single person on earth to think I'm funny. I'm doing this so that the people that have the same kind of humor as me will find me and then they think I'm funny. That's what I'm doing this. And I wanna be better and I wanna have my comedy reach as broad of an audience as possible. But.
Not everyone, that's not the goal. The goal is not for everyone to find me funny because I don't believe any comedian is funny to anyone. So taking the compliments and the criticism in like a good mixed bag and kind of selecting when to pick your battles when, because there are criticism where I'm like, you know what, that might be right. And hey, maybe I could tweak this and do that. And it's usually not stand in, you know, something that's really offensive or something. it's just people going, oh, maybe you could speak a little bit slower, which I've been told many times that I need to do. I think I'm the only person in the world that has been a radio host and my editor was like, speak less and slower. And you know what? When I listened back to some of the first episodes that I did, I was like, you know what? They're right. I do speak extremely fast and I've really been.
I've become more conscious and more self-aware over the fact that I speak very, very, very fast and I speak a lot. But it's always kind of been that way. But when you do comedy, you see yourself on video afterwards and you're like, wait, they are actually, they're not just saying that to annoy me. They're doing it because they want to help me become better so that again, more people can enjoy the kind of art that I'm putting out, right? So.
Accepting that hey not all criticism makes you a failure That's a really important place to be that some people actually just want to help you because they really like you and they want to see you succeed, right? That's a heart. It's a heart. You really have to like take your own ego out of it and I know ego I'm a drag queen Oh, that's so funny I think that
Art as Activism and Social Impact
Eli: When it starts getting into that sort of people outside of your own community, your own group, like you talk about going viral and kind of touching the mainstream and bringing those kinds of people in. One of the things that I've been thinking about a lot, I've done a few events about this recently, is about the idea of art as activism, about how we can use our creativity, whether it's comedy or painting or drag or anything. as a tool for the collective good to build the world that we want to see in the future. And I know a lot of the toxic stuff that's happening in the US at the moment with drag culture and trans issues and things has bled through into Denmark. There's a particular woman who you will know exactly who I'm talking about, who has been very vocal about, you know, the dangers of drag queens and there's a lot of pearl clutching and just nonsense.
And I'm curious kind of what your take is on that. I know there have been a number of protests recently, especially around, you know, Diana Diamond and Di Di Cancerella reading in the library to kids, which is just the loveliest thing. And we've all gone and kind of stood outside of the library in a kind of, you know, protective barrier.
Annie: Oh, yes. What's your take on like how we can make our art into this force for good? what's your take on it? It's always art will inherently... If it's art that really moves you, it will be provocative to some people and it will be so easy and so smooth and neat to others. And...
I feel like drag is that as well. As much as even no matter how you break down, drag is inherently political. It is because it creates a disturbance for people that are set in how they view gender roles, how they view gender expression and kind of just poking to that. You don't even have to say a lot, just poking to that idea is really, really provocative to some people. And it's really, it messes with the mind for some. I've, I don't know the exact answer for what makes people tick like that when they just get angry when they see drag and they're so caught up in whatever propaganda is being spread about drag and children and all of that where drag, yes, there's drag that absolutely is not for children. And then there's drag that absolutely is just like there are movies that are for children and some movies are not for children or plays, theater that are for children and some are not for children. And those actors can still do a play about Bluey.
And then they can do a play about the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. That actor should not be put under a microscope in the way of, if you do this thing, that must mean you can't do the other. That is, that's not fair. Cause we don't do that with any other type of art. Why do we do it when it comes to drag? Oh, because it inherently for people, certain people, it puts in their faces, someone who is living their authentic selves to the extreme. is a drag is freedom.
Drag is the most extreme way of freedom because it dares to not only poke fun at how we view gender roles and expression, it also makes the viewer, in this case, the people that sometimes are mad at it, I don't want to say and generalize here, but if we should take the experiences that I've had firsthand, where I see straight men get angry with me or write stupid comments on Facebook or whatever, and it's not because of anything that I have done. It is just the fact that I exist and I'm doing entertainment that people can come and see. And I believe the reason why they are so mad at it is because they're being confronted with the fact that they're seeing someone who's living so extremely freeing and they are not.
Men can also absolutely be caught under the thumb of the patriarchy. That's not, that there are absolutely also men that have not understood that not everything in this world is made for you. It is, However, a society where society was made by men and it will always, always favor the able-bodied, cisgender, heterosexual, white, masculine man. It will always favor that. And it's usually, not always, I don't want to generalize, but it is usually those types of people that will then go, wait, why is this not for me? Because they are actually not even aware that the whole world is for them.
So when they're seeing something that maybe it's not for their palate, they're being confronted with other people's extreme version of living freely. And they have never even had those thoughts in their heads of like, am I just another cog in the machine? And am I just another person doing what I'm supposed to do? Because they've never really Questioned is there another path for me? Is there a path where I can live and do something that's gonna you know where I chase my dreams and I live you know like an artist and I do what I want to do or oh I actually don't want to be a doctor even though my parents were doctor and they told me I have to and I actually I want to become a you know, I want to be something else and it's they're still they are really important in the conversation of we can't really move the needle too much unless we have the people that really have that power use it and use it for good. So those allies, I see, when I see like the straight, cisgender, male, white people in my audience, I'm like, thank you so much for being here because you're, you actually have a lot more, unfortunately, you do have a lot more voice that you can use when you tell your buddies, you know, next soccer game you're going to go to with them. you go, I actually saw a drag standup show. It was amazing. Just that one tiny little comment to your friends can make them go, you know what? That's actually pretty cool that he did that. But maybe they're not going to openly say it, but it will just trickle down to becoming more compassionate and more okay with not criticizing everything, with not criticizing everything we don't necessarily understand, or maybe it's not for us, where I think drag is for everyone.
It just depends on, you know, what type of performance it is. And it is, it was really, really hard. You mentioned the protests about the drag show at Frederiksberg library, was in 2023 and Diana Diamond and Didi Consuelo did a performance where it was, you know, it was, you know, face painting with butterflies. It was, you know, they were blowing bubbles. They had big long dresses on that covered their entire body. They were fucking princesses for God's sake. They were princesses. It was Disney. It was Disney. Nothing about that show was not for that audience. It was for the ages 6 to 12. And you could have seen that at any Disney World or any amusement park where they would have a kids entertainment show. Yeah. But because it was gay men in drag doing it, that was what it was really about. It was. They were, you know, the protesters were saying, you know, we should protect the children. It was inherently it was homophobia and transphobia in disguise. It was that was kind of what it was. Yeah, honestly.
The Library Protest and Propaganda
Annie: Yeah, absolutely. And it was really wild to see just the, I've never seen the amount of, like, I really unfortunately didn't really understand how propaganda works until I saw that, because it was so, it was so violent and it was so wrong. And it was like, oh, facts does not matter to these people, they were just, they had like, oh, this is a video from the show that was showed, you know, a couple of hours after it was done in a closed Facebook forum that was sent to some of us that we were aware of how the conversation and those like very, very, very dark hateful circles were. And that video was not from the show. Of course it wasn't because that video showcased someone in a skimpy bodysuit dancing with, you know, like sex toys and stuff. I was like, that's not from the show. That's not them. That's neither of them. This is probably not even from Denmark. It didn't matter to any of them. All the comments were like, yeah, I knew it. This was exactly what it was. They just, without any form of criticism, would just take it as fact, or at least because it was what they wanted to hear.
Annie: They accepted it as facts. And that was, it was really, really, really, really crazy. And I know Diana has talked about this as well. The amount of death threats she would get in the weeks that this was like a cultural debate in the country, because it was very, very, very, very, very talked about. And the amount of death threats was just insane to me.
And I, I personally in, 2023, I also started seeing shows that I was doing, even though I had nothing to do with that show. I went to the counter protest, obviously outside and just stood and made sure that, these kids that are going to go to this show, we don't want them to see the 40, 50 kind of scary, people that are, you know, filming us and our being kind of aggressive and they're in all black and they're, you know, in masks and like in hoodies and they were kind of scary. And then there were like four or 500 of us that just had, you know, rainbow clothing and were dancing to Lady Gaga. I was like, that's what we need these kids to see when they go to this.
We need for them to not even be aware that there's a protest going on because that's not what a seven year old should see when they just want to go see a drag show where they're gonna lip sync to Hakuna Matata. It was so wild how the people that were saying protect the children were gonna do more mental harm on these kids if we weren't there to do the opposite. Wild to me. And it was really bad to see also the, I mean, most of the country really, really rallied behind us drag queens. And I saw an increase of also the amount of bookings that I had from that, because I think some companies and people that really wanted to say, you know what, no, we're not gonna have the pendulum swing all that to the extreme right and be subjected to that kind of hateful rhetoric. We're gonna have it swing the other way and we're gonna have a drag queen host our summer party and do all of that. And I also spoke about that at all the shows that I did throughout 2023 and also a lot of them in 2024. I was like, thank you for being on the right side of history here because for a moment there in that month, it was very, very, very scary to be a drag queen. It was very, very scary because we were being called such disgusting things. It didn't even matter if you had done that show or not. Di Di and Diana obviously had it way, way, way worse than any of us, but seeing in my own comments of just a random show I was gonna do in Aarhus and they were like, oh, is this gonna be another of your like little groomer drag show?
And people just commenting the most vile shit because of that conversation that had people have talked about it. And we were now made out to be these like, yeah, crazy fucking rumors and whatever else they fucking called us. And but seeing how much the Danish population were like, you know what? No, most of us are very much aware that of course there's drag that's for children and drag that's not for children.
But we should have that conversation about, this show that was for children actually also was very appropriate for them. There was nothing wrong with it. Nothing bad came of it. But those same people, know, that protect their children, people, they were still going at it. just, you know, six, seven months later, they were going after another, you know, entertainer, someone called Uncle Ray. They were going after another entertainer and made him literally quit because of stress.
He's back now doing shows, like he was very honest about like, his only form of entertainment was children and him being called, you know, a groomer and a pedophile and all of that. He could not even begin to imagine how that must just break you down at some point, even though you know it's not true. You know it's not true, but it must really, really mess with you when enough people…. And those were the exact same people that went after Diana and Didi. Because we could see, oh, it's that same woman. It's that same woman.
Eli: It’s heartbreaking.
Living in Denmark vs. Global Politics
Eli: We are incredibly fortunate. I think this all the time, especially being neurodivergent with everything that's happening to the neurodivergent community in America at the moment. We are so fortunate that we live in Denmark, and this is not generally a country of flaming torches and pitchforks at the door. But the fact that it comes here in that way anyway is just, it really... It's scary. It's chilling. It's so chilling.
Annie: Yeah. And as much as we want to say, but Denmark is different and we are our own country, which it is true. I feel very, very, very fortunate that I live in Denmark. I really, really, really do. we We're still seeing that.
When there's conversation about, let's defund the DEI programs at certain American companies, you see it trickle a little bit down into Denmark. I can tell you, I have less bookings this June than I did last year. Really? I'm still very fortunate and I'm still very happy, but I can see that I have less. it's not really... One of them have been from an American company. The rest have not been. Only one.
Whereas last year, it was a totally different conversation. So yeah, it does unfortunately still affects people's way of thinking. When we were, it was very scary what happened this weekend when we record this, this last Saturday, Trump had his own birthday military celebration in the streets of, I believe it was DC.
If that was like a, I'm sorry, presidents don't celebrate their birthday for the public, dictators do. What is it? What's not clicking here? What's not clicking? What's happening? And it's wild to just see how a country that I used to love a lot is kind of falling apart. Like little by little and...
I support anyone that's protesting and it's really, it must be really, really scary. So we can still criticize it, you know, and be very fortunate that we don't have to live in those types of, you know, extreme fear. But I still remember, you know, the 73 plus million Americans that didn't vote for him that has to live there.
So as much as we go, oh, but that's their own fault, they voted for it. Well, there are millions of them really didn't. And they still have to be there because they don't have the money to just get up and leave. Because when people say, oh, if you don't like America, you could just get out. Are you aware of how expensive that is? That's actually not just something you do. And especially when you think of the people who are most impacted by all of this are generally people of color, trans people, know, people who don't have neurodivergent people, people who aren't generally in the highest income brackets in America. You know, most people are just living hand to mouth trying to make it through. They can't just pack up their entire lives. And they shouldn't fucking have to either.
Final Advice for Creative Dreams
Eli: Annie, I think we could sit here and talk about this for absolutely hours. We could. I'm very aware of the time. I have one more question which I ask everybody at the end of these conversations, which is what's your advice as a creative person who has made it their full-time livelihood, which is incredible. What would your advice be to anyone else who's listening to this and going, fuck it, you know what, I want to give up being a doctor and go and be a drag queen, go and be an artist, go and live my truth. What would you say to them? What do you want them to know?
Annie: I would say stay being a doctor, we need you more than we need me. No, but in all seriousness, if you want to chase an artistic dream, whether that being, you know, stand up or drag or being a dancer or a singer or an artist of any kind, be prepared that you really, really have to work for it. Nothing will be handed to you. But once you reap what you sow and it might take years, years. It is going to be worth it. I can't imagine myself being as happy as I am right now if I didn't do this. But it also has come with a lot of hard work, especially, know, doing COVID. It was not very easy and fun to do entertainment. So that was really, you know, living.
And like, I remember in 2020, I had, you know, 600 crowns to my name at some point. And it was like, fuck, what am I literally gonna do? Like I am running out of money, because I used to make money from selling tickets to my shows or, you know, being booked. But it was that perseverance of like, okay, then we're gonna do some online stuff that you have to constantly as an artist think outside the box. So if you're ready, to really hone in on your craft and do it full time. It will make you so, so, so happy, but it does come with a lot of hard work. And I think people know that, oh yeah, of course it's gonna be hard work, but I don't really think they know the sacrifices you sometimes have to make if you're in the entertainment business. Like the amount, I don't wanna end on like a sour note, but like the amount of, you know, birthdays I miss because when do people celebrate their birthdays? Fridays and Saturdays evenings, right? That's, let's go on on Fridays that I, well, when am I working? Friday and Saturday evening. So I often miss things that I wish I hadn't missed, but I'm then able to give back to those people in another way at another time. And I'm very fortunate that people in my close environment are either all entertainers, drag queens, comedians, or in my family, they are very, very understanding and very supportive of what I do. That's also something you have to understand. Not everyone is going to understand why you want to chase this dream because they're not going to learn. They are not going. No one will understand how important your art is to you other than yourself. No one will understand how important it is to you. And being okay with that and being content with knowing if it's important to me then I'm going to do it then you should absolutely do it because it will make you so much so much happier probably than what you are now if if you want to go down that route that's amazing.
Eli: That's such good advice that's such good advice
Closing
Eli: Annie this has been an absolute treat you are a delight on stage and off Thank you so much for sharing your insight and your wisdom and just your lovely self with us today. Thank you so much.
Annie: Thank you so much for having me. This was a really nice conversation because sometimes it's all about like, oh, how long does it take to get ready? This was actually about the what's behind all of it. What is the creative process? What are your thoughts about it? And it was nice. It's usually only other artists that really understand that type of, you know. the process behind it. thank you so much for having me. And if anyone wants to come and see a drag show, even if they've never seen it before, it doesn't matter when you listen to this. Every single month at Absalon, I have a show, it's in English. It's called Just Another Drag Show. You can find us on Instagram. You can just search Just Another Drag Show. It's going to pop up. Or you can find me on Instagram. It's Annie.Rection on Instagram. On TikTok, it's AnnieRectionCPH.
You can find everything there or just annierrection.com. You can find events. I just want, if you've never been to a drag show, it doesn't matter if it's mine or whatever, just go and experience a drag show in real life. There's quite nothing like it, I'd say. There is nothing like it. It's absolute magic. And wherever you are in the world, there is probably a drag show within driving distance. Go and support your local drag queens. They need us now more than ever.
And it's just a fucking good time. It is. It is brilliant. And know what? It doesn't, if you like funny drag, you feel like, you know, more of the dramatic side of it. If you'd like a fashion queen, if you like, you know, whatever type of drag, whatever type of art, there is something for everyone really. And especially in an ensemble show of like four or five, six, seven entertainers, there will probably be one that really, really stands out to you. And you'll be like, you know what?
I'm a fan of her now. I want to see her. Also speaking of, there's also amazing drag kings. I just did a show this Saturday where we had two amazing drag kings there. And it was, there's really, there is something for everyone. There really, really, really is. So go see a drag show, no matter where you are in the world. It's amazing.
Outro
Eli: Isn't Annie just an absolute delight? Honestly, we could have talked for hours and hours and hours. I really had to push to cut it short and edit it down to a not unreasonable length. Thank you so much to Annie for coming on and entertaining us all so fantastically and if you want to find more about Annie then obviously you need to go to the website which is zuzushausofcats.com that's haus spelled H-A-U-S forward slash podcast and that's where you'll find the show notes for today's episode and of course all of the other episodes as well.
So you can catch up on anything you might have missed. Thank you so much for listening and I will see you in the next episode. Bye bye!